Missing Feature on my 2020 4runner

I have a mostly stock 2020 TRD offroad. So far we have put about 55K miles on it, mostly on road. Tires are KO2 255/75 17s. RSG sliders. And original stock shocks with no lift.

The feature I seem to be missing is the Omni-present, death defying nose dive? I have seen countless post about ditching stock shocks ASAP to get rid of this dive. Problem is, during any sane, on road driving, I do not see it. Was my 4runner built without this feature? Is it defective? Will I need a down hill panic stop over a speed bump to experience it? I feel like I am missing out…….

 

Do you have KDSS?
Original owner? If not perhaps suspension was upgraded?
You are not missing out -- it sucks

 

You're probably on the bumpstops already due to the way the stock suspension likes to sag.

 

Mine is 10 years old with 160k on the original suspension and I don't find the brake dive offensive.

I think some people expect these to handle like sport sedans.

 

Mine is 12 years old at 170 and still on original suspension and I do not notice the nose dive. The oem suspension has phenomenal road comfort. Though my rear shocks and sway bar links need changing to mitigate excessive side sway

 

When you do an emergency type stop it will dip hard fast. Maybe one day someone will make adjustable shocks for this truck. Then you could dial them for street and off road.

 

I have a stock suspension too and don’t notice a terrible nose dive with normal driving.

A few times when I’ve had to do a panic stop due to large wildlife encounters, it nose dives a lot. Personally, it doesn’t bother me. It’s the nature of the beast. I like the softer ride that the stock setup provides and don’t want to change to a stiffer setup just to eliminate brake nose dive which I only encounter about twice a year.

 

I'm one of the many on here who upgraded the stock suspension. I thought the body roll+ nose dive was to much.

 

I tame the nosedive mainly by decelerating more gradually than I would in a different vehicle. I like how the suspension acts off road, so I won't change it until I experience something that convinces me otherwise.

 

kdss is a sway bar system so it technically will not help with straight line braking nosedive.

 

I noticed it immediately when I test drove the vehicle. I changed out the shocks within a few hundred miles of purchasing the 4runner.

 

Same, it really wallowed in turns too.

 

I wouldnt know as I have orp without it. But I have heard that ride is more firmer with than without.

 

Am I the only one in here who enjoys the body roll and nose dive? It makes me feel alive (for now… I guess…)

I literally love those characteristics of the car. Gives it a unique personality and I just adjust my way of driving to it.

 

I had a 2015 SR5 and it had nose dive when heavy braking but a nice cushy ride. My 2019 ORP when it was stock rode nothing like the SR5. Just my observation.

 

Driving like ass isn't unique personality

 

Personally I think it’s overblown. It’s strange that people get an old school 4WD truck and complain it’s not driving like it’s on rails. My stock suspension SR5 is much more pleasant to drive then my stock suspension Limited with XREAS. Yes the limited turns better and doesn’t have the “dreaded nose dive of death” that some seem to complain about. But my limited is much more rough ridding than my SR5 but I am sure some of that is because of the wheel / tire size.


Also remember we don’t have jeeps that have steering that goes crazy and causes you to loose control when it gets some wear on the front end aka “death wobble”.

 

I've heard this before, and you are likely correct, but my new ORP with KDSS nose dives much less than my 2021 Venture without KDSS.

 

Do you have KDSS? I test drove one with and without KDSS and the difference is very noticeable. I did not like the handling of the non-KDSS SR5. Love the handling on the KDSS on my ORP.

 

now that i think more about it i can see how it may differ. maybe its the way the sway bar is mounted to the LCA and frame on a KDSS 4R. It's definitely different than how non-KDSS is mounted and is what you're probably feeling.

 

Who said anything about driving like ass though? Nose dive and body roll is very present in the easiest of the driving styles in this car.

 

Booooo….hisssss


The 4runner has the most pleasant road character of any vehicle I’ve owned.

It makes old country roads feel awesome to drive on. Hardly any type of surface annoys. It’s got sway, it’s got lean, and it’s got a bit of jiggle that’ll make ya giggle.

 

I love the airborne sensations at 35 mph when the road crown rises up through intersections

I will eventually consider aftermarket but off road, I'm comfortable and not ready to drive faster

 

you're describing a girl i dated in college almost to the tee

 

I have to disagree with this comment. The swaybay on the kdss is way thicker than the stock. If it were the same sway bar with the kdss shock/disconnect, then I would agree. I have kdss on mine and it rides way differnt than the one without.

 

sure i understand the ride difference and that KDSS sway bars are thicker than the sway bar on a non-KDSS system. my original explanation centered around the core function of both which technically is the same. The sway bar ends oppose and cycle opposite each other when a vehicle is turning. In straight line braking, the sway bars ends have equal tension and cycle with each other.

the difference in straight line braking - KDSS vs. non-KDSS - could be the way the sway bars are mounted to the frame and LCA (KDSS) or spindle (non-KDSS). this leads my perception to KDSS having a different cycling motion, which translates into a different or slower nose dive.

in essence i do stand by my statement that it will not help with nosedive, but do understand that the behaviors between KDSS and non-KDSS will differ.