5th gen continued to 2024??

Very well said!!

We have too much regulation when I can no longer get a gas stove, a normal dishwasher, don’t want me to have a gas lawn mower. What’s next a computer that scans my ID and says sorry sir you already purchased your two beers for this week?

I drove that same V8 Jeep and loved it but bought the 4R for the same reasons as yourself. For the money we are all spending on these things I think most of us would like some sense of long term reliability and lower maintenance costs

 

I totally understand this. And, I totally understand why people aren't enthusiastic about replacing a known reliable drivetrain for an unknown drivetrain.

I've generally stressed that reliability is unknown, but aside from that the new engine looks good on paper. It's going to be a decade before we really know how this new engine holds up. That is, unless they're really bad!

And, if it's about not having options, I get that as well. Unfortunately, it seems like Toyota doesn't like offering different engines in the 4Runner anymore. Although, now that it's sharing a platform with the Taco, it might be easier than it was for the last few generations.

My reaction earlier was to the implication that we didn't even realize why we were getting a turbo 4 instead of a 6, and were being tricked into wanting better fuel economy and power. I'm pretty sure most people would always take those things, as long as reliability didn't suffer.

 

At what point, in this thread or any other thread, have I ever implied that I was in favor of these regulations?

 

The other thing is a turbo hybrid. Really looking forward to it. I'll never feel the need to carry gas when going on long off road trips. Would be amazing.

Regarding toyota hybrid reliability. Toyota has been doing it more than any other manufacturer and does it well. Going to be great

 

What nobody seems to be understanding is that I am not in favor of these government regulations. I am in favor of more power, and better fuel economy. I am not in favor of the government mandating what I can drive, how much I can drive, etc.

FWIW, I have an electric stove, and it sucks!

And, if the government were to ration how many beers people can drink in a week, the entire state of Wisconsin would probably go to war against the federal government.

 

It's interesting that Naville took the time to explain the problems that the strict emissions standards are causing, but you keep trying to re-direct the conversation toward fuel economy.

Toyota still offers the series 70 land cruiser in Australia with the V8 or a simple turbo-4 diesel engine without US style emissions control. Now do you think it's because their fuel economy is the issue, or is emissions regulation the reason why Toyota is phasing out their tried and true engines stateside.

 

Yep, I agree with all of this. Fewer choices started with dropping the V8 from the 5th gen and only offering a V6. It probably helped lower manufacturing costs and possibly led to higher reliability because they just made the one option over, and over, and over...

I hope to outlive my 4runner because I'm not that old yet (at least in my mind) so if the next gen does only get a 4cyl turbo and it's been proven reliable over 10 years I'll snap a new one up in a heartbeat.

I feel like saying people are being "tricked" into wanting more power and better fuel economy is a bad choice of words. Remember though, this is a website for enthusiasts who know a lot of 4runner history (through experience or reading). A lot of other people will look at the paper and see more power and fuel economy, but can't even tell you the difference between a v6 or turbo i4. And with reliability being an unknown, I think that's where the reference to trickery may come I to play.

 

Whether it's about fuel economy or emissions, I have never said that I supported government regulation. Why does everyone keep trying to imply that I do?

I have said that I would be happy to get better fuel economy and have more power. That has nothing to do with whether or not the government is regulating it. It has nothing to do with whether the government is regulating emissions. All I am saying is that I would like to get better fuel economy and more power.

My reply to the post you are referring to was to point out that we already know that government regulations are the reasoning behind the changes to the drivetrain. Whether It's about emissions or fuel economy is irrelevant.

 

I think a hybrid would suit my needs the best. Really interested in seeing what options are available if I ever need to replace the 5th gen in 10+ years

 

Bro you gotta get an induction stove. It's the best. I have gas. Induction is where it's at.

 

Passenger cars get regulated to death in the US but it seems like the fashion industry gets a pass. At 10% of annual carbon emissions is pretty close to passenger cars.

 

Maybe they will continue it forever, like the 70 series LC.

 

Saw the BZ4x EV at the dealership. Maybe you should consider that. Handsome lil crossover

 

If everyone keeps saying something, perhaps it's because that's the way it appears to everyone.

Oh well, if you don't see how it is all connected, not much the rest of us can do explain it to you without further triggering you. Carry on.

 

I'd definitely consider a hybrid or plug in hybrid. A plug in hybrid seems like the best of both worlds.

 

Everything is possible, but even if they did, the 5th gen will not be sold as new vehicles in the US or Canada past 2025. 2026 is basically the drop dead year for most of the mass market naturally aspirated non hybrid gas engine passenger vehicles (ie non trucks) in the US.

 

My dealer is asking $57,000 for a 2022 Rav4 Prime. You don't want that lol. It is a lil capable machine though. I want to see it roll on KO2s.

 

Good point.

 

Maybe people should actually read my posts then. Also, it's only a handful of people who seem to think that.

It's not a matter of seeing how things are connected. Being able to see the benefits of better fuel economy and more power has nothing to do with supporting or not supporting government regulation.

 

I see what you're saying. But I bought this rig just because it is so simple. Drove it on the highway today and it drives fine, it is not bad. It doesn't even have a sport button for a little extra push.

 

I think a lot of the people here like the 4Runner for its simplicity. There's nothing wrong with that. As appealing as the extra power and better fuel economy sound, I'm not about to run out and buy a sixth gen until it's proven itself.

I'm generally satisfied with the way mine drives as well. But, with the extra weight, big heavy tires, and roof rack, It's definitely anything but sporty. A regear and a tune would probably go a long way.

 

After a short experience of this rig, I can bet my house it will outlive five Teslas. And 5 Teslas is a lot of gas and damage to the environment.

 

If they made a non turbo 1gr-fe plug in hybrid 6th gen I would be really excited. Turbo 4’s just get ran to hard in heavy trucks.

 

I can't wait to drive this dinosaur to San Francisco to troll the robotaxis lol.

 

When I went from a 2nd gen Tacoma to a 3rd gen Tacoma, I was expecting “more power and better mpg”. That was all the hype at the time.

I’d get on the interstate repeatedly, and with a little wind my new 3rd gen got like 13-14 mpg and had to run in 4th gear to maintain 75-80mph. Never had that problem in my 2nd gen.

I was so disappointed that after 20+ years in tacomas I jumped over to 4runner after two months in the 3rd gen Tacoma. I was so relieved that the 4runner behaved like my 2nd gen tacomas.

I guess what I learned was it’s all about where the powerband is. And when and under what conditions it’s available. The 3rd gen Tacoma had the power available, but to access it mpg suffered.

 

Toyota seems to have always had difficulty in improving fuel economy of their trucks. The new GX has a turbo 3.4 instead of the old 4.7, and also has 10 speed. But mpg improved by 1 lol. It is way more powerful though. If anyone is thinking about the new LC, get the GX instead. GX comes with a proper V6, unlike the new LC with a camry engine. It has offroad trim that comes with stock 33s. With a lift you should be able to fit 35s. Lexus on 35s lol, the world is going crazy.

 

Back to the CAFE “argument”. I don’t think Toyota “has difficulty” with improving fuel economy. They know exactly how to improve economy and do a very good job of it, considering the constraints imposed upon them. They’re threading a needle in the US and do pretty well at it.

Working within mandated constraints, they’re bound to make some customers happy and others will be disappointed. There’s a lot of moving parts in this regard. I don’t necessarily blame Toyota for my unhappiness with my 3rd gen Tacoma. They’re just doing the best they can (—> CAFE).

 

To me, this new Lexus GX seems like a Bronco killer. It has all the necessary tools, and it is a Lexus. Very luxurious, very comfortable, and with the build quality second to none. Are you really going to pass the GX and buy the Ford Bronco?

 

Those are stock 33s, the same tires that the stock Wrangler Rubicon comes with. Bye bye Bronco!

 

Bronco? How about a Sport? I would not drive this thing if it ran on. decomposed trash. A group of people were commenting how “cute” it was at the gas station the other night. It was one like the below.

“Cute” vehicles are not for me. Please Toyota don’t Bronco my 4R to be “Cute”