5th gen continued to 2024??

For 2025 Toyota will perhaps add a couple things to the 4Runner but nothing major. A new color maybe or LED indicator and back up lights. Who knows.

My 2023 SR5 came updated with the Bi-LED headlights which eliminated the halogen main beams. Very nice! And I think I paid the 2022 price at $38,805.

 

I was hoping the 23 would be the last year. I could change my mind and wait for a 24 but I have a 23 Octane coming and I prefer that color of the Terra. Also I could wait for the new design. But I think a lot of folks are in for a rude awakening when they see the price for the new redesign. These mark ups are not going to stop especially on a new design.

 

Toyota is not new to using turbochargers. 3S-GTE, the engine everyone faps to…2JZ, all of their turbo derzuls and all the others they have produced for many years but never had turbo issues. Especially now with modern turbo technology, it shouldn’t be an issue.

 

Troops, this 4 cyl is only being sold in the US and Canada where strictest emissions standards make it necessary by law. Everyone else in the entire blinking world is getting diesel or other petrol engines in new Toyota trucks like the model 250! Does that make you feel good? Use some street smarts guys! If you had patented a cure for cancer would you sell it only in Oklahoma City? If you had an incredible new engine that would flatten all your competition world wide, that would bring Jeep, Ford, Mercedes, Land Rover and Nissan to its knees, would you not sell it in every nook and cranny on the bloody planet? YES! This 4 cyl is a hail Mary thrown up in desperation by Toyota engineers, its not the engine they want to make for Trucks, it is the engine they are “forced to make!” Capisce? The engines Toyota wanted to make were V6, V8 and 2.8L diesels for Trucks. I know the synapse stultifying group think and the desperate shills are working overtime on this forum, but take a deep breath, open your eyes, clear out your brain from all the disinfo and SEE what is going on! And above all, test drive, test drive, test drive and, then as a last measure, test drive. Don’t let the Gen 5s, GX460s and Gen 3 Tacomas elude you when you still have a chance to get then.

And whatever you do, don’t be one of those guys who wakes up in a cold sweat in two years saying “what in the hell was I thinking? I bought an expensive untested truck engine based on nothing more than influencer noise on 24 hr forum shill-fest infomercials! And I missed out on the great engines!”

 

Yup. My 1986 Toyota pickup truck had a turbo, which increased the horsepower from 114 to a staggering 135. And people whine about double that.

 

With the Landcruiser starting at $55K, there's not a lot of room for Toyota to jack up the price. As far as dealership mark-ups; they're only going to last as long as the market allows. There are already plenty of dealerships selling vehicles at MSRP. I've also recently read of a few people getting discounts of MSRP. Of course, I wouldn't expect that with the rollout of a brand new model. But, the market will right itself eventually.

If I recall correctly, the torque increase was more significant. But, nowhere near as impressive as the numbers we are seeing out of small turbo engines these days.

 

Then explain why the new Tundra is having turbo issues

 

You need a set of the yellow “laser” glasses on hand they are cheap but work so well.
They’re not gonna put the 6th Gen on the street yet because half of them will be wrecked and they need to have parts readily available.

 

This is true. I'm hoping that it's just a matter of working the bugs out. This also doesn't guarantee that there will be problems with the new 2.4, either.

 

I've run into this situation myself. Pretty obnoxious when some d-bag runs off-road lights on the road.

My light bar is probably about 10× as bright as my headlights. But, I don't use it on the highway.

 

Electronic wastegate issues which are still fairly new to the turbo world. I only know of Honda using this type of wastegate but could be wrong. The turbo internals themselves were fine and I believe Toyota already fixed it but a reminder to why you don't buy the first year of a new model.

 

Yeah, I don't personally care about the fancy tech gadgets.

As far as the drive train; I appreciate the bulletproof, reliability and simplicity of the 1GR. But, from a performance standpoint, the incoming 2.4 turbo should blow the 1GR out of the water.

As far as being old school, I'd be happy to have the 2UZ V8 out of my 2003 again, but I know it's not ever happening so I'm trying to focus on the positives of the new drivetrain we are getting in the 6th gen.

 

I'm not too worried about the turbos lasting, coming from the 90s tuner world where everything was turbo. It will definitely be nice to upgrade a turbo and get actual power, rather an expensive exhaust and intake that do nothing what so ever. Give me a T3/T4 hybrid and a 3 core intercooler to slap on a 4runner. (i'm sure it will happen at some point. LOL)

The electronic wastegates are newer, but my NX350 F Sport isn't having any issues with it yet...........stressing the YET part. LOL.

Turbo motors are mainly being used for gas mileage nowdays, cuz you loose the low end torque and fuel is really only used when you get up to positive boost. So it's dependent on your foot and not the motor.

 

Agreed, except that we will be gaining a significant amount of low end torque. And, they're probably going to be under boost almost right off idle.

 

i could see them doing that, like the eco-boost engines.

I agree with you earlier just bring back the 2JZ and be done with it. Toyota knows turbos, stop with the fancy ones. LOL.

 

This is what I'm excited about. Or just flash the ECU for more boost and bam you got another 80hp.

If I have to replace the turbos at 150k. Oh well.

 

Ong

 

The later VVT-I 1JZ's made peak torque at 2400 RPM's. Even that would be a significant improvement over the current engine.

Overall, I'm satisfied with the 1GR, but there's definitely room for improvement.

 

Yeah, it’s more about all the little details surrounding a turbo, like packaging, and how well it does in a new application. The turbo itself is as simple as it gets, and they’ve been around a long time.

The problem with the Tundra is a pretty big problem, even though technically it wasn’t the turbos. It would have been barely a blip if the repair didn’t require the cab to come off to get to the waste gates.

Hopefully, the turbo on the next gen 4cyl 4runner (and everything related to the turbo!) will be easily serviceable.

 

Time for a cab tilt function.

 

You are absolutely correct but most will not see the forest through the trees on this as with so many other things.

 

Do either of you actually think that anyone here really believes these motors are being chosen for any reason other than fuel economy? Maybe you are the ones who should open your eyes.

Literally everyone on this forum knows why Toyota is putting a smaller turbocharged engine in all of their newer trucks in the US. Some of us are just choosing to look on the bright side.

Will it be as bulletproof as the 1GR? Chances are, probably not. But, that doesn't mean it's going to be a POS.

And, aside from the questionable reliability, more power and better potential fuel economy are probably things that most people want.

 

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here.

Are you actually suggesting that most people would not want more power or better fuel economy if they were not being marketed to us? Because, personally, I would appreciate both of those things, regardless of what is being dictated. I'd be willing to bet that I am not alone here, either.

If you want a bitch about CAFE regulations, be my guest. But, It's not going to go away. If some good comes out of it, then I am fine with that.

Also, in case you haven't been paying attention, the alternative to more efficient ice vehicles is electric vehicles. And, I'm not anywhere near ready to trade my 4Runner for one of those things.

 

Like I tell my wife. I've never been wrong. ...Also. I don't apologize...but that's less relevant.

 

The cafe standard are not going away you’re right thatbassguy. I don’t want an ev either. I think the other poster is simply trying to allude that we have too many mandates and if not for those mandates other engine choices would be offered. But apparently the majority wants these mandates.

I agree that the new engine will not be a Pos but it’s just unfortunate that we will have to lower our expectations from a reliability perspective despite increased performance numbers.

 

I did mention earlier that I would love to have the 2UZ out of my '03 again. But, if the 2.4 turbo does end up being a reliable workhorse, I wouldn't mind having awesome torque and great fuel economy.

I just think it's funny when people suggest that I'm being fooled into wanting things I've always wanted because they are being marketed to us. I can't think of any intelligent person who would not want better fuel economy, if everything else remained equal.

 

What "different opinion" are you trying to submit?

Are you suggesting that worse fuel economy is better? Are you suggesting that less power is better? Are you suggesting that some people would prefer less power and worse fuel economy? If not, I'm not really sure how we differ in opinion.

It's obvious to myself and most everyone else in this conversation that the reason we are getting smaller turbocharged engines is due to government regulations. For people to come into this thread and point it out as though it is new information is just silly to me. That's why I replied to those comments the way I did.

 

Well, now I'm confused.

The posts I initially responded to made it sound like nobody realized that CAFE standards were the reason we're getting a little turbo 4 instead of a V6. But, we all know that already.

So, I'm looking at the big picture.. better (potential) fuel economy, and more power. Just because I'm focused on that, doesn't mean I've forgotten about how we got here.

So, yeah, the posts that implied we were being fooled into wanting those things seemed silly to me. I would think they would seem silly to almost anyone.

Just because I've been here forever and have a stupid post count, doesn't mean I think I know everything, either. I'm happy to hear different perspectives. Your opinion is as valid as mine here.

 

I'd like to chime in on this conversation. Maybe they are saying those things? It's not unreasonable.

Hear me out. I had/have (wife still drives it) a 5.7 V8 JGC that has loads more HP, torque, and gets better gas mileage than the 4runner (even before I made it a more bloated pig). The better gas mileage, I assume, is because with the ridiculously more HP and torque over the 4runner (and 8 speed tranny) - it effortlessly moves that jeep. I do love it... when it works. There is a reason I switched to the 4runner, which had less power and worse fuel economy. People do choose that, and for me it was because of the 4runner legendary reliability.

People have a fear of the unknown, and with the problems tundras have had with their turbos, I think a lot of people are anxious about a new gen 4runner only having a 4 cyl. turbo to choose from. I've never owned a turbo so I know nothing about them. Who cares about power and fuel economy if it doesn't work - I don't, which is why I bought a 5th gen several years ago.

Not to get too political but America's free market economy has always been branded as being the best due to having choices and letting consumers decide. I can understand why some people are upset that regulations are taking away those choices from the consumer.

 

You are not getting it if you want to focus on the fuel economy part.

It's not just CAFE, it's really the looming extremely strict emissions standards propose by the current administration. Fuel efficiency is the least of it, with its hybrid sales volume Toyota doesn't sell that many 4Runners to cause a problem with their corporate wide average the way Stellantis or Ford are freaking out.

In case you missed it

https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/bi...s-strongest-ever-pollution-standards-cars-and

That's on top of what Toyota will have to accomplish by 2026 MY.