Does the 2023 Off Road Premium not come with auto headlights?

Let's keep the shit posting going.

KDSS

 

Um, Have you seen the prices that the $8000 1986 Hilux go for today?

 

That's because the market is not realistic. An 86 Hulix is an absolute turd but fanboys with money buy them up to be the coolest corn kernel at the Toyota parking lot meet.

 

The market is the market. Doesn't matter how you feel about it. Plus, 84-87 is best years for Hilux. 22re is a bulletproof engine. Plus, they look way cooler than any Tacoma. Marty McFly had best taste in trucks. Fight me.

 

Only the fanboys fap to that old crap. Still, I don't buy a car thinking about resell, the market or the next owner. It's not a house.

 

I got blisters on me fingers!

 

Use Toyota's magic oil they don't make.

 

I'd love to have an old beater Hilux for a trail toy.

I didn't buy for resale either. But, it was the reason I bought new instead of used. Knowing that your vehicle will hold its value isn't the worst thing, though.

 

Need a new thread to determine proper weight to use.

 

I'd do something more comfortable like a Jeep XJ or 80 series LC but I don't rock crawl so SFA does nothing for me.

Still doesn't do much on a regular day since I daily mine. It only helped when my Tacoma was wrecked and I got 22K for it.

 

Just don't substitute it with an non Toyota brand because Mr. Akio Toyoda will know and shame you.

 

So, you are saying that you benefited from having good resale value, but you don't care about resale value?

 

Absolutely. I purchased what I wanted not based on resell but it so happened that it benefitted me. I would have gone with a F150 over the Runner but the F150 was too big for my current lifestyle.

 

Hey look! The claimed MPG for a rear-wheel-drive-only 4Runner is the same as for a 4WD version! How can it be? The lies! The manipulation!

 

I agree 100%. My 2005 Corolla CE with manual windows, manual locks, manual seats, manual transmission has auto headlights. The last Toyota I had that did not have dusk sensing headlight was my 91 Corolla with a 3 speed auto. I guess I should be thankful my 50k MSRP ORP came with power mirrors LOL.

In my case I didn't really need heated seats/steering wheel or moon roof but since Toyota doesn't ship regular OR or ORP without moonroof anymore to my region, no choice but to take it while I still can.

 

Lol yeah I saw that.
It might be possible to compare real world mpg of limited owners with other trims. Everyone drives differently so maybe it’s not an exact test. I suspect that real world mpg of limited would be lower if it’s a 4WD system. If it’s AWD it will be same as other trims.

 

This thread seems to have turn to mpg now?
My short answer is I don't see much difference between my Limited with 285/70R17 vs TRD Pro with 285/70R17 in practical use. But we use the Pro on long drives as we believe it would have better mpg been in 2wd and tiny tiny bit less weight ( TRD Pro with sliders and every damn skid weigh 5000lbs vs almost stock Limited weighing at 5060lbs).

 

Of course a Limited is less efficient at MPG than other trims. It takes energy to move the front drivetrain.

 

@kmeeg

This is a shitposting thread from a 1st time poster. Post whatever you want. Its not like there were two recently active threads that discuss auto headlights already.

 

Just as a side note:

“Which Vehicles Are Tested
Manufacturers do not test every new vehicle offered for sale. They are only required to test one representative vehicle—typically a preproduction prototype—for each combination of loaded vehicle weight class, transmission class, and basic engine.”

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/which_tested.shtml

 

In the old days of hub disconnects, your assumption was correct. But because with the 5th Gen both front axles are connected to the wheels, and considering the arrangement of the front diff and the ADD, both front axles and the front drive shaft of the 4Runner spin all the time, even in 2WD. They are spun by the wheels rolling on the ground rather than the gearbox, but it all amounts to the same thing really. So while in the old days there was a marked fuel saving because the front portion of the driveline was disconnected, on modern 4WD vehicles there may be little to no mpg advantage.

 

Hi Captain,
Front shaft doesn't spin in 2H vs on my Limited front shaft spin in H4F. Please don't ask me to test again as if I fall leaning from the driver seat the car will run away. (I really hope no one from my insurance see this, my stupid tests)

I also read somewhere only part time 4wd has front diff actuator vs Limited is full time connected with a bearing (if that's the correct word). No sure, have very low mechanical knowledge.

 

Negative. The lack of engagement indicates power is not going from rear to all four wheels. Its not the rotational mass spinning thats an issue. Its the parasitic drag caused from gear engagement that causes inefficiency in this case. Granted the lack of compete disengagement is a knock on efficiency.

 

I didn't think the front driveshaft spins in 2wd. Isn't that what the ADD engages?

 

The fact that it takes energy to move the front drive train of a FT 4WD vehicle - and when in 2WD the front drive train of a PT 4WD vehicle is not moving is not what really matters. What matters is how efficiently the power produced by the engine is transferred from the wheels to the road. It seems to be taken as a given that the power transferred from the engine to the wheels/road is done significantly more efficiently in a PT 4WD 4Runner when in 2WD than in a FT 4WD 4Runner when in H4F. I don't think that is the case. I think the difference in efficiency of transferring power to the wheels/road between the two is not very significant. The FT 4WD system has a center diff - when that center diff is free there is no binding in the drive train due to front/rear wheels needing to turn at different speeds when the vehicle is turning. It is not the same as a PT 4WD system being driven in 4HI on dry roads. The slightly better aerodynamics of the Limited due to the lower front bumper and air deflector under the bumper, and the narrower, lower profile street tires (less rolling resistance) could easily make up for any efficiency loss of the FT 4WD system and result in the FT 4WD Limited having about the same gas mileage as a PT 4WD TRD ORP.

 

I'm new to the party. Interesting thread.

I have a question about headlight usage. I have always driven with my headlights on since the mid 1980s. I went through a state police driving academy and I remember the first day of class the instructor stood before us and asked, "Before you even put the car in drive what's the one thing you can do to reduce the chances of getting into an accident?" As you can probably guess, the answer was "turn on your lights," and he stuck out two fingers in an inverted peace sign and made the gesture of turning on the headlights -- which in those days meant pulling a knob on the dash for the Plymouth Fury and Dodge Diplomat police cars.

Anyway, since that day I have literally never driven a car without the headlights on. It's the first thing I do once the engine is started.

I understand that there are now Daytime Running Lights but I don't find that there is enough light output for my taste, plus the rear is not illuminated.

Am I just being foolish at the risk of having to replace my LED headlights sooner than necessary and are they really $700 just to replace the LED element? Or do we have to replace the entire light assembly? (2023 SR5)

I'm open to all thoughts and opinions on the matter.

Thanks!

 

@kmeeg @Thatbassguy

I was also under the assumption that the non ADD vehicles, in fact, don't spin the front drivetrain. Have heard that that gear oil spinning will cause a slight rotation through minimal friction though. Is there a test thats been performed to verify this?

 

https://youtu.be/ALscsi2PkAw

 

For mileage tests you would never engage 4WD on a part time 4WD system. Of course the actual efficiency of the system toyota uses in the limited is not making huge, noticeable differences. My statement is simply that AWD is less efficient than 2WD. Sure, there are ways to make cars more efficient. That doesn't make the drivetrain more efficient.

 

I myself did the test in a empty place. In 2H driving straight slow didn't spin the front shaft. Taking a video would be little risky but can try one day if that has any value.