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Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by duc_minh206, Jun 8, 2023.

  1. Jun 8, 2023 at 3:33 PM
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    Good afternoon y’all!

    I just did alignment for the first time since the 4Runner lifted. I’d like to ask if the rear toes specs looks normal. If not, how can I adjust the rear so the toes specs from both side won’t be too much different. Thanks!

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  2. Jun 8, 2023 at 3:47 PM
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    Not sure what you are expecting.

    Its in specs if thats what you want.
     
  3. Jun 8, 2023 at 3:54 PM
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    It looks like the left side is toed out while the right side is toed in. The difference from both side of the rear just too much different compared to the front so I'm curious If something broken such as rear axel bent....
     
  4. Jun 8, 2023 at 4:02 PM
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    Well my bad I didn't read rear.
     
  5. Jun 8, 2023 at 5:03 PM
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    Lol no worries. We technically only need to focus the front alignment specs. I didn’t notice about the rear spec after getting home.
     
  6. Jun 8, 2023 at 7:00 PM
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    Alignment March 2023, I have 3" after market shock and spring lift

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  7. Jun 8, 2023 at 7:08 PM
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    All your specs looking really good. I'm still doing research how to bring everything back to better specs. Many reasons I have in mind. It could be the wheel offset, the panhard bar not center, rear camber, worst scenario is bent rear axle. Mainly to bring the thurst angle close to 0 as much as possible.
     
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  8. Jun 8, 2023 at 7:45 PM
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    a bent rear axle is unlikely. it would take a catastrophic event to destroy a solid axle or the shafts in any measurable way. it’s something you’d definitely know happened.

    toe and camber are independent of each other and are 1:1 vs each side. nothing real complicated and is why there are no specifications for the rear.

    how much is the rear lifted? adjustable panhard or trailing arms? info about your set up can be helpful.
     
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  9. Jun 8, 2023 at 8:16 PM
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    Thanks man reassuring to hear, no offence to you. If it helps to know, my wheel offset is 0, backspace is 5, added 1.25" Spidertrax wheel spacers a little while before this alignment, and had a successful alignment 1.5 years before running them (following the suspension lift and 33's and UCA's).

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  10. Jun 8, 2023 at 8:34 PM
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    spacers and wheel offset don’t affect alignment angles. the angle of the wheel changes when the angle of the hub changes.
     
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    That's my question too. I'll check with them tomorrow about the rear specification. I have 2" rear lifted.
     
  12. Jun 8, 2023 at 8:45 PM
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    Mine has -12 offset with 4.3 backspace.

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  13. Jun 8, 2023 at 8:47 PM
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    Indication of broken hub do you think?
     
  14. Jun 8, 2023 at 9:04 PM
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    a failing hub and it’s bearings will let you know it’s dying. it’s something you would hear and feel. if you’re wondering if maybe a hub is bent somehow then the wheels would wobble when they roll.

    the toe and thrust ion your sn’t severe. if you’re that anxious about how the axle is located i’d start by correcting the panhard.
     
  15. Jun 8, 2023 at 9:13 PM
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    Ya, If it keeps sitting like this, sooner or later the bearing gonna give out. Even though everything still in acceptable range specs (except thrust angle), It's still better to check lol (Forgot to mention it lean 0,5in on driver side, not sure if the rear are even both side)
     
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    i think you’re overthinking things.

    front end alignment is made against the thrust angle so the truck tracks properly. you’re not going to kill any wheel or axle bearings. at this moment the truck is properly aligned. take the time to enjoy the truck. consider the simple measures (panhard) to improve the way the rear axle is placed while enjoying it.
     
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    You right! You should sell it. Joking lol. Ima keep taking it to rock crawling and hopefully one day the axle might address itself :D
     
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    Drive it and pay attention to tire wear. If you don't see abnormal wear, you are good to go.
     
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  19. Jun 14, 2023 at 4:47 AM
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    So apparently, panhard bar (from dobinson ) is slightly longer needed which shifted the rear axle to driver side. Unfortunately, I can’t adjust it any shorter so, no way I can bring the axle back to center, unless I lift the rear higher (2” lifted currently), I guess. I might sound anxious, but I just want to make sure the frame or rear axle not damaged, cuz to be honest, I did a hard pull to recover a truck on the trail lol
     
  20. Jun 14, 2023 at 5:50 PM
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    If you kept the OE track bar you could take some measurements comparing the two.

    good luck!
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