Looking to get into a 5th gen after experience with POS Bronco

I only look to the 2022 Tundra for insight as to how Toyota is trending towards more complex, more efficient, and less capable vehicles. I asked my Toyota salesman, who is a genuine Toyota enthusiast, as to his thoughts on the next generation of 4Runners and Tacos and he said that they will definitely follow the Tundra with an emphasis on safety, technology, and efficiency and decreased emphasis on capability and reliability.

Compare the newest generation of Tundra to the previous and you have a vehicle that is less capable, more complex, more tech-oriented, more expensive, and more difficult to modify for off-road use.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 6th gen has better stock approach angles, power, and off-road gadgets, but they will come at a cost of simplicity and ease of modification.

KDSS will look like leaf shackles compared to the new tech Toyota will be forcing on us, I fear.

 

Well, I certainly hope you're wrong, no offense!

KDSS, in it's current form, will likely be gone. The new version should be better, if they follow the newer version on the Landcruiser.

I'm not sure how they'll make it more difficult to modify, unless you're talking about the newer safety nannies acting up due to lifting, etc. I could see that happening.

 

If they screw up the reliability of the 4R that will really suck. Everything is so disappointing. Honda is going to stop making power equipment next year (lawn/snowblowers) and they make a fine product. It’s hard enough to find a reliable product to begin with.

 

They didn't do anything crazy on the Tundra or Sequoia suspension, so I wouldn't be too worried about losing the ability to modify on the sixth gen. If anything, it'll be better, I'm really hoping that they take note of the popularity of the big tire packages on Wranglers and Broncos, and either give us that from the factory, or at least the ability to fit bigger than a 33 without having to chop up the frame.

If one can't easily fit a 35 on the sixth gen I'm going to consider that vehicle a fail.

 

I completely disagree with this. Of course every new redesign is going to have some problems.however, Vehicles eventually have to get redesigned or we would all still be driving cars with carburetors and no airbags. Now, the difference is with companies like Toyota they quickly fix the issues that each redesign has and they redesign their vehicles at a conservative pace. Ford on the other hand doesn’t do this. I put it to you this way if Toyota releases an engine with problems they will fix the problems and keep using that engine. If ford releases a product with problems they will just completely come up with a new product….which also has problems. When the Camry was redesigned in 2006 it had problems but by 2007 it was pretty much bulletproof. And they didn’t redesign it until 2012. Ford will release a problematic product and in 3 years redesign it again with a new engine/trans just to have problems again. Toyota is not like ford where it redesigns a product and just hopes for the best. I am actually looking forward to the ءnew 4Runner and Toyota Evs. Toyota has let other car makers rush to the ev craze so they can deal with all the problems but I’m confident Toyota will Alsoeventually come out with Ev that is superior after learning from the other car companies mistakes

 

Mountain man , again yeah the new tundra has problems . But that is also with every single redesign. When Toyota released the 5.7 v8 In the tundra in 2007 it had problems. But they quickly fixed it. I am confident Toyota will fix the problems with the new tundra. This is also why it is never wise to buy a vehicle the first model year even. So of course the The new third gen tundra also has far more problems compared to the old one that was perfected after 14 years of production at the end of its life cycle. Also, I’m general the new tundras problems are very minimal for a clean sheet redesign compared to the disasters that are Chevy and ford.