Overall gearing ratios versus crawl control

Sorry but I don't get it

 

Enough with the crawl control nonsense. Give me the true granny gear. I basically want to be able to pull stumps idling in first gear lol

 

Haha. Remember before you got your 4Runner you watched a hundred videos on YouTube that demonstrated how capable the 4Runner is? And then you got one? Don’t get hung up on the numbers.

 

This thread is very 'the last breed'

 

these numbers arent meant to be a bad thing they mean that your Toyota drivetrain should last way longer than the others by reducing stress and strain on all of the pieces and parts in between the engine and the wheels

 

I'd like to see a better balance in between gearing and longevity in Toyota trucks and SUVs but most folks that put longevity up at the top of the list right off

 

I do agree, to an extent. I think the granny gears are part of Toyota's way of getting reasonable gas mileage. But, I'd rather have a transmission with more gears, and 4:10's.

I also wish 4lo had more gear reduction. Maybe the next generation will have a super low first gear.

As far as Crawl control; I would gladly trade that for a front locker.

 

Also my color choices were bad in the tables I was trying to show Numbers high to low

 

Notice how the higher ratio options have more gears? The Runner could use another gear or 2 but it's fine as is.

 

Yeah lets compare a vehicle that hasn't been updated in forever vs ones that have been.

Make perfect sense.

 

Toyota isn't making their gearing ratios any higher on the new gens. Based on what we've seen in the new tundra and Sequoia anyways

 

To get lower gear ratios, you have to either increase the driven gear (bigger diff's - reduced clearance) or shrink the driver (smaller pinions - less engaged teeth).

 

Did you you mean "lower"? On the differential higher number = lower gearing.

 

Uh

2021
https://www.thecarconnection.com/specifications/toyota_tundra_2021

2022 (3:44ish)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HksWjiqAYPM

Didn't look it it that good but seems inline with the other 1/2 tons.

 

I thought it only went from 37 to 1 to 42 to 1 overall total ratio in first gear 4low?

 

3.31 seems like granny gears to me. But, maybe the extra range in the transmission makes up for it.

 

My 1984 with manual and 5.29 gears calculates to be a 49.33 crawl ratio. It's kind of amazing that a new manual Bronco Sasquatch is nearly double that, BUT.... look at the Bronco's puny driveshafts and think again about calling the Toyota drivetrain weak.

2022 Ford Bronco rear driveshaft coming out of transmission.


2022 Ford Bronco front driveshaft I can wrap my fingers around it.

 

Thanks, fixed. need more coffee.

 

Not sure why people look at the rear end #'s and consider it bad. I'm not engineer nor have I watched anything comparing it with the other trucks. But I'm sure there is a reason.

I don't think Toyota had plans to make a serious "off roading" vehicle like we would wish.

 

It just seems to be a typical thing to discuss. And, it's the only one we can really change down the road.

Our 3.73's are fine at stock. But, add a bunch of weight and oversized tires, and many people end up regearing.

I will eventually regear if I end up keeping this as long as I planned. Unfortunately, the most readily available regears are too aggressive for what I would want. But, if I end up with 35's, I'll be all about a 4.56 or 4.88.

 

Most likely the smaller diameter section is solid while the larger diameter section is hollow. Diameter alone isn't much of a sign of weakness.

 

I think it's like the old Tacoma rear drum vs disc argument.

 

I'm interested to see if Crawl control beats true crawl gear in the survey. Folks probably prefer a simulated crawl gear instead of an actual crawl gear

 

Mall control just controls throttle and braking to move at a selected speed and uses traction control to put power where there's traction. There's no change in gearing besides simply being in low range.

 

I'm wondering if Toyota said let's just leave the overall gear ratios lower in 4low to make the drivetrain last longer and then just add on electronic crawl control for the folks that want to rock crawl

 

Personally I don’t consider our 5th gens as “rock crawlers”. I’ve been off roading Toyota’s for over 20 years and never had a problem, and that’s with no lockers, just basic 4wd.

 

What was the overall ratio in first gear 4 low of the last 4Runner manual transmission?

 

I see 3.830 for 1st and 2.566 for low. The 3.4 only made 183hp and 217tq. The 5th gen is 270/278.

 

Folks on the Tacoma website we're saying that the lower gearing ratios are actually worse for the drivetrain and performance and that it's basically all for EPA purposes