Completely stock with cornfed 1”

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my 21 has rake for days. This is a 95% on road truck so I don’t wanna drop the coin on a new coil over set. Will the 1” cornfed spacer level me out without giving me Bro lean? Also do 4rs have a needle bearing like the tacos? I really don’t wanna tank the axles out on a brand new truck.
Tia

 

What are your measurements from the center of the hub to the bottom of the fender? My kdss ORP was 19.25/f and 22/r

Top: With .85” Bilsteins at 20”
Bottom: factory height 19.25”


Did the Bilstein .85, but the gain wasn’t enough and it also downgraded my ride quality. So, I’ll be changing it back to the factory Tokico’s and adding the 1.5/1 Cornfed spacers this week.

 

front 19.5
Rear 21 7/8

theoretically a 1” will get me closer, but does a 1” spacer yield a 1” lift?

 

The spacer is actually 0.5" thick and yields a 1" lift.

 

Contact 2016 4Runner SR5 on here. He's a Cornfed dealer

 

Yes, they do and needle bearing issues have been reported on 4R’s with and without lift. ECGS bushing seems to be the way to go for a permanent fix to the problem, if you encounter it.

 

Yes to the needle bearings, and here's my wife's old 17 SR5 with 1" Cornfed. Close to level, but not quite. Still some forward rake.

 

Interesting that the Bilstein ride quality was worse than stock. I was lead to believe they were an improvement. Care to elaborate?

 

Everyone has their own situations, likes, and needs. In my case, my wife and I noticed the tenseness of the bilsteins straightaway to make the truck react more out of control, especially over multiple bumps in a row, and so we opted back for the factory feel over the deteriorated ride quality we experienced. I’m sure they shine over factory in the off road department, but we are 80% highway, 15% city, and 5% off road. So the 95% of the quality need won us over.

The best analogy I can give on the factory kdss vs Bilstein kdss is this...

Factory KDSS with Tokico is like sitting in a commercial airplane where you hear and feel the sound of wind noise below your seat height. And the bumps that resonate above the seat feel like slight turbulence. Nothing to complain about because the feedback feels like it’s contained below the seat level.

KDSS with Bilstein 5100s is like sitting on a school bus back in the day, where you see everyone’s head and shoulders shifting back and forth over large bumps and then their heads bobble over small multiple bumps in a row. The feedback from the suspension reacting is all transferred to the height of above the seat level and you feel it above your kidneys in your shoulders and your neck mostly.

Basically the bilsteins send all of the repercussion rebounding upward fast; while the Tokico’s dissipate it way before it can rise to that height.

This is only my wife and my opinion on the loss of quality we experienced. We immediately felt the road issues as physically feeling it vs hearing it mostly. We had the alignment checked and it passed at the dealer and had the tire pressure checked down from 39 to 34, then finally to 36 and that helped a ton, but not enough considering we are adding a Gobi and Roof top tent here soon. We need that up high type of gear to be as stable as possible and believe the Tokico’s will help in that area.

Immediately after getting it swapped out today I noticed the road drag was gone, the road feedback was gone, and my mpg increased back to where it was before. I was averaging 17.7 on my tank to the shop, and then 20-30 miles after coming home it was 19.4. A huge difference all around.



Something to note potentially as a root cause is that the Bilstein center bolt is really long and I think that causes the 9 ring springs to be over compressed. It’s at least a quarter inch longer than the Tokico’s. See image below. Bilstein does not differentiate between 9 ring springs vs 8 ring springs or if there’s a stabilization system such as KDSS, and so as a one size fits all, we are subject to making every thing fit as one height on springs since there isn’t a left or right shock for the kit.


However there is a right and left for the Tokico’s, which is indicated by the dots facing forward and is noted in the repair manual for installing the spring in the correct direction by making sure the pigtail exits toward the rear and outward. Also, the factory Tokico’s have a fixed seat so assure the direction, while on the Bilstein the seat can be turned to any direction allowing the rear of the spring and pigtail to end forward and facing inward.

 

Thanks for the reply. I have a few questions if you don't mind. Did you have the 5100s set at the highest (2.5") setting? KDSS could be a factor here and are you saying the Bilsteins decreased gas mileage? Is Tokico the OEM shock on the 4R?

 

You bet.
I had them set to the second ring from the bottom, .85”

I’m not claiming they effected my mpg, however the three weeks I had them on, I experienced low mpg and on the way home from removing them it increased and has been back to normal since. Even on a new tank.

Yes, Tokico the set that came on my ORP.

 

Keep in mind Bilsteins have digressive valving, they react basically the opposite of stock. It could absolutely make it feel weird to mix and match valving types.