Towing 3k boat with 4R versus a Ridgeline?

Guys,

Need some advice. I am coming out of an old V6 body on frame Explorer which I use to tow 19ft aluminum boat (all in about 3,000lbs with fuel/gear etc). The Explorer did good for years with the V6 3.73 axle and tow package. I am in SE Michigan and primarily tow to Lake Erie so its flat (no hills to tow up).

I was about to pull the trigger on getting a new 4R ORP to replace the Explorer. Then I read about the new Ridgeline and I have friends that work at a Honda dealership (mechanic and service) so I trust them. I go there for my everyday car which an Accord.

So I waffled about getting a Ridgeline 2021 model now since I love the people and the dealer. But not sure if I am making a mistake by passing up the 4R I have kept my eye on for over a year now.

I realize this is a biased forum for the 4R. But would you guys buy a Ridgeline since you have friends at the dealer verus a 4R? I read about all the hassles at dealerships and ask myself should I risk that buying my versus Toyota?

I making a list of all the strengths and weaknesses of each. I like an SUV since all my stuff is secure and I have a full roof. With a truck I could have a cover but not sure how water proof it will be.

My primary goal with the vehicle is to use for towing my boat to take my Dad and I fishing and I need something that fits in the garage (so full size truck was always out).

Maybe I am overthinking this as a single dude who is fortunate to have such options. I plan to buy though and hopefully keep 15 years or more since I won't be driving other than in summer time (maybe put 1,500 miles on per year).

Appreciate any thoughts guys.

 

Which one rings your bell? Which one will you still be happy with in 15 years? There's your answer.

 

the ridgeline will drive and ride a lot differently than the 4runner, go with whatever will still put a smile on your face a few years from now. Good luck with the search

 

I agree with picking the one that makes you happiest overall, but I think the 4Runner would be a more capable tow vehicle. Towing in a primarily flat area makes it easier all around though.

 

Do you need/want a truck with an open bed or an SUV? I've had both and liked them all, but it's a 'Runner for me. As stated above ... your choice. Good luck.

 

The ridgeline is hardly a truck, lol. If you want a midsize truck, look at tacoma’s, rangers, colorados, etc. Like everyone said though, get what makes you happy!

 

I wouldn't buy any vehicle just because I know someone who works at a dealership.

Like everyone has said, buy whichever one suits you best. There's nothing wrong with either one. They both have advantages and disadvantages.

If you prefer an SUV but want to buy a Honda, why not check out a Pilot?

 

I was set on a 4R until I saw new Ridgeline look for 2021. The Honda appeal is knowing the service people and mechanics for 20 years, you gain a trust that I am not getting service I don’t need. I don’t get a rookie doing my oil changed and it’s never scratched or dinged and I just had great service.

I think part of my issue is being home to much and researching the heck out of everything over the last year. I want to make the “perfect” decision and that does not exist. You make the best decision you can at the time.

Things got put in perspective tonight. My Dad is in ER after getting a vaccine shot today and overnight after having a reaction. If you are person of faith please pray for him. He is my best bud and I hope to go fishing with him a lot more.

I appreciate everyone’s insight. I should be more excited to get a new truck but for some reason I have not. Back in the day I bought what I thought looked cool. Now I spend way too much researching every aspect.

 

All my best to your Dad. Seriously.

 

Good luck to your dad, I hope he has a speedy recovery.

I get you trust the dealer, but which vehicle do you like? Sounds like you want the 4R, you're just settling for a Honda because of a particular dealer. I still wouldn't let that sway me if the dealer I liked did not carry the vehicle I wanted. I think that's just silly. And if they're pressuring or trying to guilt you into buying from them, they're not your friends.

The Honda will drive much better than the 4R, but the 4R will likely hold better resale and long term durability.

But they're very different vehicles, first you need to decide if you want a pickup or an SUV, and go from there. If you decide you want an SUV, but are still stuck on the Honda dealer, the Passport looks pretty good, as far as crossovers go. Not sure of the tow rating on those though.

And honestly, I think "friends" at the dealer are the most likely to screw you, because they know you have your guard down.

Personally, I buy used vehicles and never contact the dealer again unless there's an issue within the 30 day warranty period. Got my '13 2 years ago from a Subaru dealer, and I have had no contact with them since the day I drove it off the lot.

If you go Honda, I'd still get some prices from other dealers just for comparison's sake, and to make sure you get the best deal. "Friends" or not, the dealer's ultimate goal is to make money off you.

 

Thanks guys

I think I always thought SUV since I have an old explorer I am replacing. The 4R seemed logical coming out bud full frame V6 explorer. I am not an off road guy and not typical 4R guy. I just thought it’s cool looking and liked it being built in Japan and the reviews. The idea of folding the seats down and leaning my fishing stuff in all summer seemed cool and just lock it. If I had a pickup now I need a cover for my stuff and stuff will shift around maybe.

I never owned a pickup. You’re right on getting other prices I always do that to keep them honest.

My Dad said in ER tonight that another consideration is no full size spare on Ridgeline. So you can’t apparently tow a boat with a donut spare as the Honda only has a donut spare. I guess I am like Dad always thinking.

I feel like if I pass up the 21 4Runner I miss out on the V6 and tranny. Somehow I think the 2022 mode will get changed not for my better. I am in my 40s and could care less about gas mileage. I just want it to be reliable

thanks for reading my posts I appreciate the insights. It is good to bounce ideas off others and get different opinions

 

Interesting point on the spare! I wouldn't have even thought of that.

If you're not into offroading, and don't think you ever will be, that's kind of one of the biggest plusses to the 4R, the offroad capability. Most other SUVs' (or the Ridgeline) will have much better driving dynamics and mileage. If don't care and simply WANT a 4R, I completely understand that! However, maybe one the of the Honda SUV's would be a better pick if you don't need maximum offroad capabilities.

Incidentally, the only thing I hate about my 4R is V6/tranny combo, lol. But, I agree, they may make it worse in the next generation the way the did with the Tacoma so it may be better to get one now.

 

Yeah I don’t care for the Pilot. Plus nobody ever talks about towing with a Pilot. The Ridgeline seems to fair well under that 5,000lb mark. I don’t trust a GMC Canyon or the new Ranger turbo engines and the Tacoma well I was not happy about having a truck made in Mexico. I needed something that fit in the garage hence I thought of 4R a year and half ago. Yes a procrastinator. Plus now I work from home like many so my regular car goes for a drive once a week just to drive.

Back in approx 2014 I remember buying one of the last Honda snowblowers made in Japan at the time. I am glad I did as I knew they were moving the plant. The same models now don’t fair as well. Oddly enough the one built in Japan was just simple and quality so I think. The newer ones have more features that break. I think that logic follows the 4R somehow.

 

Any reason the Honda dealership wouldn't service a 4Runner?

I don't take my 4R to either of the Toyota dealerships in town, instead I take it to a trusted mechanic.

 

One consideration is that the Ridgeline is Front wheel drive and if it's the AWD version it kicks in automatically. Make sure going up a boat ramp it would. I don't know if you'd want to launch a boat with a FWD vehicle.

AWD would be fine. RWD would be fine. 4WD would be fine. FWD *might* be fine.

 

Ridgeline is a unibody & a 4Runner body on frame construction. - just something to consider.
Prayers to your dad.

 

Hope your Dad has a speedy recovery!

It seems pretty much guaranteed that the '22 4Runner will be a repeat if the '21 and they will change it for '23.

Definitely buy what YOU want, but consider how you'll use it. It's not worth spending that kind of money on something and not being happy.

 

Personally I think a 4Runner or Tacoma will prove to be the better boat toter vs. the Ridgeline, I know a guy who has the Ridgeline and loves it, but he doesn't tow with it. Best wishes for your Father's speedy recovery!

 

Guys thanks for prayers and responses. Dad is getting a bunch of tests today and I am hopeful they can figure this out.

my Honda dealer I am sure could change oil and basic stuff on a 4R

An earlier point about Ridgeline being FWD. my understanding is a 2021 is AWD. I am no expert but I think the AWD just kicks in via computer so this could be an issue pulling a boat up a ramp. My old Explorer had push button high and low 4x4. I rarely had to use it but it was nice if I did.

My initial thoughts were if I had 4R ORP I could move manual shifter in 4 Hi before backing trailer in water and then hook up boat and pull out. Then after boat is out put in normal mode or no 4WD

I guess I need to see how that Ridgeline works. Is it normally Fwd say on highway road then just AWD kicks in. This could be very good point. I would have to trust system at a ramp.

 

A&P

Your Chapparal has to weigh a lot more than my boat as I assume that is fiberglass versus aluminum.

Mine is 18’6 Crestliner aluminum boat with 115HP Merc outboard. The boat weighs only 1,500lb. Once I had fuel, trailer, motor, gear I figure I am 3,000lbs.

I have same Explorer Sport with the V6 and it’s been great.

 

I only use a dealer for “free” warranty work.. but not everyone is a mechanic or has mechanical skills.. and trust me, warranty work sucks to deal with also lol coming from someone that had a 2014 Mitsubishi Outlander Sport that the engine sieved in 4 days later at 430 miles... that car was built on Friday... what a nightmare! And unfortunately put a sour taste in my mouth for that dealer and brand of vehicle.. but my Chevy dealer has always been good, but have never really used them either lol besides for state inspections... I actually bought my runner from them used, in 2019, i had 3,000 miles on it, got it for only $32,000..

I can’t stand the constant shifting in the 4Runner, but I’m in the Adirondack mountains.. to me if you want to tow, buy a truck made for it.. but a 4Runner will probably do all you need it too.

 

I used to have a Honda Pilot AWD. On that vehicle, there was a button to force the AWD to engage at low speeds. I assume the current Ridgeline would be the same but you would have to check. Also on my Pilot, I replaced the donut spare with a full size spare so that is an option albeit a minor hassle. Honda's all have the same "feel" though. So I think you can actually get an idea of the 4Runner vs the Ridgeline by comparing your current BOF Explorer to your Accord. Like others have said, though, follow your gut as to what you will satisfy you most...

 

Greetings,

I purchased a 2007 Ridgeline in 2007 and still have it. I also have a 2021 4Runner TRD Off Road. I have also owned Tacoma 3400 V6. I’ve towed my 3500lb boat with all three and they all got the job done just fine.

Each of these vehicles drive and handle differently. How you use your vehicle should drive your decision. The AWD in the Ridgeline is terrific in snow and on gravel forest service roads but is not suitable for anything more than light off road use. The 4Runner will extend your travels to serious off road and pull your rig just fine as will a 4WD Tacoma. The Ridgeline will be the most comfortable on road and have the most car like handling.

There’s no wrong answer as any one of these vehicles will do the job but which one makes the most sense for you is up to your personal preference. And, as others have said, I wouldn’t pick based on a friendly Honda dealer vs an unknown Toyota dealer. Pick your favorite vehicle and shop for the best deal...
Good Luck with your purchase

 

I've never been in a Ridgeline but I towed my small 1500 lbs boat with a 2018 Honda Pilot. The 9-speed transmission was shifting non-stop looking for its gear, even in sport mode. Rear suspension was sagging with the boat and luggage. Gas consumption was great when unloaded but worse than my 4Runner when loaded. I also had a 2020 Pilot Black Edition: beautiful, comfortable, spacious. I sold it 3 months later after many electronic issues... yes 2020 brand new car with a lot of issues: speedometer, backup camera, radio, entertainment system, all were working part time. I think Honda finally found a solution but when I was having all those problems Honda had no clue what to do. They were replacing parts without success (computer, wire harness, etc). My point: if the Ridgeline and the Pilot share the same transmission then the 4Runner is a better option for towing, if reliability is important then, in my opinion, the 4Runner is a way better option, if you want a robust small truck with a capable suspension for its size then the 4Runner is a good option (can't speak for the Ridgeline).

 

OP. Just something to think about. You may have a connection with the service end of the dealership, but they ain't sellin' ya the vehicle. Car salesmen eat their young. Just sayin'. Again, do yer homework and good luck.

 

OP, have you considered joining a Ridgeline forum?
My only experience with Honda’s is single cylinder motors.

 

Yes I sure did. I joined a RL forum. More I am reading it sounds like the RL guys watch the trans temps closely even at 3k Lbs. I am suprised how many tranny posts and or sounds like Honda just went to 9 speed versus 6. Suddenly I am leaning back to 4R.

I love Honda stuff and am suprised to read the issues. I appreciate the guys insight here and on RL forum.

I need to drive both again. I will say when I get in a 4R ORP or even the limited it feels just solid. I thought getting the ORP was less stuff to break over limited (no x reas, and manual shifter for 4WD).

 

Hey man I'm on both forums too and saw your post over there as well. I don't have the same usage but am cross-shopping these same vehicles as well. I've test drove both and each are cool in it's own right.

The 2021 Ridgeline drives like a dream, I mean it is a really nice place to spend highway time in. I commute 45 miles round trip on rural (55 mph) roads each day for work so that's important to me.

The 4Runner was just... Awesome. I loved the interior, sound system was great to my ears, and the look of the thing in Barcelona Red just speaks to me. It's not half the highway truck the Ridgeline is, but it's still a comfortable place to spend time.

I like the 4Runner because I thought my MPG's could hit 20 or so given my commute type, which I'm good with. Reading these forums though has me second guessing that...

I'm with you on the importance of a good dealer. I'd buy a Ridgeline from an extended family member that is a GM of a local dealership. With that I know I'll be taken care of, and it does mean something.

Keep posting, I'm interested in what you get and how it works out.

 

Hi DC,

I will do that. I drove the ORP and limited last year. I found ride to be similar. I have not driven a RL but have a V6 EXL accord that rocks which is compared to. It’s fast for sedan.

I need to drive both in same day. I wish I could test both with my boat!

I will drive either maybe 1,000 miles per year since I will just tow my boat and drive some for fun. I have accord for every day and with Covid work from home.

My sense after one day on the RL forum is there seems to be a lot of “problem posts”. Contrast those posts to this 4R forum and and I see most complimenting the 4R and not complaining as much. Maybe it’s me but that’s just an initial impression.

We are all spending a lot so it’s nice we all share experiences to help each other.

I am a bit nervous reading about the trans on these RL towing. I mean why does Honda not have this perfected? It’s my understanding this 4R has the same 4.0 and 5 speed tranny since 2010. So if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. As of tonight I am leaning this way again. I could care less about gas mileage but am driving the miles you are.

I am supposed to drive a RL though when they come in and will let you know.

The full frame on the 4R also seems safer for towing. My buddy has a newer unibody explorer and it sucks for towing getting pushed and pulled by boat with wind.

I think the RL looks sweet though.

I wish I knew about these back in the V8 days. I would love one.

The Lexus GX is also sweet but I dislike the tailgate. You can’t open it with most trailers attached. Everything is a trade off.

Yes let’s keep comparing notes

 

As I try to turn off overthinking for the night. I was considering the residuals on both these vehicles. The 4R without question holds its value better than the RL by considerably more.

So if you try a 4R and dislike you will take “less of a loss” should you decide to go to RL. Regardless it’s a loss of some amount but if memory serves me the 4R is near the top of residual values.